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Tico Tico is a good CD but seek for Reunion. I need to find out more about Mike Shapiro; sounds like a great player.
How about Duduka Da Fonseca? I'm sure you know him. I had a few lessons with him. Great brazilian drummer. Played with Astrud Gilberto and has his own brazilian jazz band: Trio Da Paz.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Hi Tombo. Duduka is a great Brazilian drummer, for sure! (and wrote a great instructional book!). I have the two first albums of Trio da Paz, very good ones. He is very influenced by Edison Machado, a late master of Samba-jazz. Supposedly, Edison Machado was the the first person to use ride cymbal in samba, he created the basic vocabulary of samba-jazz. If you are interested in knowing more about Brazilian jazz, here are some nice recordings:
EDISON MACHADO - "Edison Machado ? Samba Novo" - the roots of samba-jazz are here, the blend of samba rhythms and American hard-bop. Very good album!!!
RIO 65 TRIO - this trio released at least two albums ("A Hora e vez da MPM" and "Rio 65 Trio") and features Edison Machado on drums, Dom Salvador on piano and S?rgio Barroso on bass.
MEIRELLES E OS COPA 5 - Eponymous album - another old samba-jazz album, with Dom Um Rom?o(Weather Report) and Edison Machado on drums. Recently, they released a new album, called "Samba Jazz", with Robertinho Silva (Milton Nascimento, Wayne Shorter, George Duke), another old master of Brazilian rhythms.
TRIO DA PAZ - released 4 albums, I guess. All of them were released in USA.
DUDUKA DA FONSECA - "Samba Jazz Fantasia", with Romero Lubambo (Trio da Paz), John Scofield, Billy Drewes etc, nominated to Grammy 2003.
BRASILIA - "River Wide" - with Romero Lubambo on guitar and Ted Moore on drums (who plays samba very well, too!).
EGBERTO GISMONTI - "Antologia" - a collection with some of his best compositions (I don't know if it was released in USA or Europe).
HERMETO PASCOAL - he is my favorite Brazilian musician, with very original and intrincated tunes. Two great drummers have played with him: Nen? and M?rcio Bahia. My favorites are: "Festa dos Deuses" (released in Brazil and Germany), "Montreux Jazz Festival" (live), "Slave Mass" (released in Japan), "S? N?o Toca Quem N?o Quer" (released in USA), "Hermeto Pascoal & Grupo" and "Mundo Verde Esperan?a" (his latest recording).
JOANNE BRACKEEN - "Take a Chance", with Duduka da Fonseca and Eddie Gomez (on bass).
EDU RIBEIRO/ DANIEL ALCANTARA - "Nem C?u nem Mar" - this recent album revisits the old samba-jazz sound and is a very good cd. Edu Ribeiro is my favorite samba-jazz drummer of the new generation, with a very good technique, vocabulary and new ideas.
SIZ?O MACHADO - "Quinto Elemento" - a nice album from bassist who played with Ivan Lins and many others. Edu Ribeiro plays in two tracks.
RAMON MONTANHAUR - "Boyya" - Ramon uses multiple pedals and have expanded independence to the next level in Brazilian music, like Alex Acuna and Horacio Hernandez did in Latin music.
MEDUSA - with a more modern language (with some fusion influences), they released two albums in 80's - eponymous and "Ferrovias" - featuring Chico Medori, a underrated Brazilian drummer.
Other two albums that I could include here are:
GEORGE DUKE's "A Brazilian Love Affair" and WAYNE SHORTER's "Native Dancer", both with a mix of Brazilian and American musicians.
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Fuse! You rock man, I agree. Brice???? I'm amazed that name was even mentioned in here. He's one of the sickest!!! Grooves that would baffle even VinCola. Some of that African music is just so OUT.
I agree, Steve Hass, but also Ari Hoenig out of NYC.
I disagree with Joey Heredia though. He get's lot's of press, and if you ask any of the latin pros like Sanchez or Negro they'll tell you he always turns the clave around. Not only that, I heard some really sad stories from Chris Botti about Heredia totally train wrecking on his gig.
Also Thierry, I saw him play at the Bitter End in NYC, his time was like a roller coaster.
But the rest of the names I agree with. Everyone knows who these guys are though, they're just not in that mainstream "modern drummer" scene. But so what? They work more than most of the guys who are. Especially Ralph Humphrey.
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Did I hear someone knock Keith Carlock earlier in this post? I can't disagree more. I think you're underrating him.
I went to school with Keith at North Texas- he was tearin' it up back then. Played snare on the award-winning drumline- his hands were amazing. Played in the top lab bands. Both him and I moved to NYC around the same time. Around '96 or'97. I've seen him play live numerous times- especially in New York with with Wayne Krantz. I was there the night that Donald Fagen sat in on Rhodes and discovered Keith. He has his own identifiable style which is unheard of these days, plus he plays BETTER under pressure. sure, guys can understand what he's doing- but his execution and consistency are top-notch. The guy got the Sting gig without an audition...hello!?? What does that tell you. I say good for him- he deserves it. He may not be my favorite(and no we're not friends BTW), but he's definitely NOT overrated. Of course, relax...this is only my opinion too...
My vote for underrated:
Paul VanWageningen(Andy Narell, others)
Roidney Holmes(Check out Steve Kimock DVD)
Ricky Sebastian(Vinnie without the big name gigs)
Mark Walker(authentic feeling 'Latin' stuff
Peace
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Vito Rezza is from Canada.
Great list 'Navega', i agree with many of your choices !
Robbin DiMaggio, Paul DeLong, Joe Travers, Michael Barsimanto, Frank Briggs, Lou Molino (Anyone know what he's doing these days?) and many more.
'JoJo' should definately be up there with the 'Greats', popularity-wise.
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Good pont, cjbdrm.
I dont think Carlock is necessarily UR either. I dig his playing. & I think we can all understand that he "ain't gettin the big gigs by being a hack."
But i think the orig sentiment was prob just coming from the POV of his taking the chair after "the Man." [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Because as much as I dig KAY-cee, he just "ain't VEE-cee"...[Not trying to turn this into a competition or anything... [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]wink.gif[/img]
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To be honest, I was a little surprised when he got the gig...he's a very dynamic and sensitive player. I didn't think he had the power of VC because he has such a light touch. I guess I was wrong. If he didn't have arena chops before, he got them from playing with the Blues Brothers and Steely Dan, that's for sure!
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I hear ya man.
But these days, of the clips I've seen, it seems KC can whack 'em tubs pretty good when he wants ta' [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img] ...
He grooves hard, & is sensitive to the music when needs be...& that's all Sting, Dan, & the rest want, to be sure. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]
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i noticed that someone said Ricky Sebastian was Vinnie without big name gigs. WTF is going on here? hahahaha! Someone's smoking crack and it ain't me.
First of all, Vinnie can't begin to touch the second line and Brazilian grooves that Ricky plays. Vinnie's not into latin, he says so himself. Ricky is amazing at that stuff. And Ricky is not nearly the time player Vinnie is. Last time I heard Ricky try and lay down a funk groove, the tune reached about 5 different tempos before settling. Ricky's also not nearly as musical when playing polyrhythmic fills or odd meters. Again I'm not talkin out my of butt here, I studied with Ricky years ago at DC in NYC. And I've known Vince for many years.
They are as different as apples and oranges. yet, still fruit. duh. HA!
But still, Ricky is not in the public drumming eye, I agree he should be more noted.
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I'm goin to go out on a limb here and say, I don't understand why drummers have to be rated in the first place underrated, overrated, who cares? It seems that everyone is falling for this corperate bulldong all over the country and now it's landed in music, or drumming I should say.
You have to understand, Modern Drummer and other magazines don't give a shit who can PLAY and who can't. It's all about who sells the most drums. If you stepped into a club in NYC 4 years ago, who were they talking about? Shawn Pelton, Keith Carlock, Steve Hass, Ari Hoenig. Now, Shawn was already playing on million CDs and had the drum chair on SNL for 10years. But you never heard about him in MD until a couple of years ago. Keith was a no name until Steely Dan and later Sting. Steve has done a ton of great gigs and is now steady with The Manhattan Transfer, not a big enough name, yet the best vocal group on the planet with 12 grammys. Ari is ridiculous, playing with Kenny Werner and doing a ton of jazz gigs and writing for MD.
I wouldn't say they're underrated, if anything they work and play as much music if not more than any of the drumming stars. They just don't sell as many drums so they're are not mainstream drum ad material. Shawn and Keith are now known because their endorsee's chose to put them in ads. But they're not playing any better than they did before you knew them. However on the scene in NYC names like HASS, Clarence Penn, Hoenig, are talked about nightly. Sometimes to the point of annoyance. It seems like drummers are the only instrumentalists who live in the controled media world of magazines and DVDs. If you went out and became a part of the music culture you would become familiar with who's really hustling and being innovative out there, rather than who the media choses to show you so they can make money.
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Well!
Guess that settles it!
I agree with both your posts! [SDK & Flarob]
& Vinnie's "latin" is indeed the more "fusiony," & he has candidly admitted to that. But it's still bad-a**, tho... ;c)
& Weckl, as great as his is, will tell you the same thing about himself ["I'm a 'gringo,' what can I say";c)]...but He still lays waste when he plays his fusion-latin stylings.
But Ricky is indeed more the authentic one of the 3. But then again, no one is VC or DW either. ;cp
Now I'm gonna back outta this b4 Flarob [or Dazz!] gets a hold of me [the whole 'comparing musicians obsession' thing]...;c)
I will say tho, that MD tried in the beginning & intermediate years [for them] to give some love to the 'up & comings,' 'unknowns,' & underdogs [into the 80's & some 90's] ...i dont know what theyre doing now, as i havent bought mag 1 from them in years [img]eek.gif[/img]
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